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I'm the oldest daughter of two Lt Colonels, and the product of a three-generational military family on both sides, and I think y'all need to listen to the next bit:

We ended the draft because the military's analysis of the Vietnam War revealed that 90% of all draftees would not shoot to kill, even when it was life or death. They'd shoot high or low, but they *couldn't* shoot to kill. As such, they actively degraded the war effort.

So you need to think twice before arming yourselves.

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There's a lot of *wildly* irresponsible rhetoric floating around right now about how all queer folk should arm themselves to resist what's coming. And, deadass?

If you're armed, and you're not 10000% sure that you can shoot to kill, the only thing you're gonna do is get yourself and everyone around you dead.

Period.

A weapon is a *massive* escalation. Meanwhile, the tool that really gets you out of deadly trouble in a fascist dictatorship?

A silver tongue and steely guts.

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Resistance is about far, far more than the image we have in our heads of the brave French resistance fighter in WWII. It's making the gears of their fascist machine grind. Drop a little sugar in the right gas tank. Lose important paperwork and records. Follow all the rules, *exactly,* in excruciating detail, explaining to the fascists that their superiors will come down on you if you don't.

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Fascism is a machine. All machines have moving parts. You don't attack the reinforced bits. And fascism, specifically, is a machine built to kill. When you take up the same arms, you're attacking them where they're strongest.

So, when you plan your resistance, unless you're a very rare sort--probably with preexisting military experience--don't plan for a violence that you can't and won't win.

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in reply to Doc Impossible

Governments are nowhere near as omniscient as you think, and have nowhere near enough resporces to follow up on what data they do have.

Wanna resist? One of the very best things you can do is look suspicious as fuck while doing *absolutely nothing* illegal.

Consume their resources. Frustrate the machine. *That* is how you save lives. Not weapons. Not for the overwhelming majority of you.

Leave that trouble for those truly prepared for it.

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Well you know how Americans are, thinking everything can be solved with guns….
in reply to Misuse Case

It's apocalyptic thinking. People want to go out in a heroic blaze of glory, because doing so has been held up as an ideal.

Its just evangelical rapture-thinking.

Yeah, in the grimmest times, someone has to do the dangerous work, but they need to *live* afterwards. The fascist machine wasting resources fruitlessly chasing them is the real benefit to what they do.

in reply to Doc Impossible

@MisuseCase If people absolutely need them, you can get a three hole punch at Staples and punch up to three holes at a time. Less risk to self and others. And everyone knows a good binder's at the heart of every revolution.
in reply to Doc Impossible

I also recommend reading “Steal this book” by Abby Hoffman. It’s got some amazing ideas, and even though it was written a while back (Nixon’s time) it’s got a lot of applications today.
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@CWilbur even older but not without its charms is the simple sabotage field manual [1] which has a lot of fun & plausibly deniable ideas for how to slow the gears of a large machine of which you have no choice but to be a part

[1] https://archive.org/details/SimpleSabotageFieldManual

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in reply to Doc Impossible

Tl;dr: Don't be the queer version of Meal Team Six. You're gonna be just as ineffective as they are.
in reply to Doc Impossible

Addendum:

What the fuck, people?! I talk about how bad an idea it is to arm yourselves and a bunch of yall start arguing about blades and homemade bombs instead of firearms?! When I said weapons and not firearms, I meant ***all*** weapons.

This is not a fucking movie. This is your lives. All your posturing is gonna do is get you and the people around you dead.

Knock it off, dummies.

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in reply to Doc Impossible

Knee jerk, I am afraid.

Folks, don't be daft, don't get killed. You will not respawn.

Or, if you have such a death wish, do not write about it in public (which means internet at large). Save your contacts from unwanted visitors.

in reply to Doc Impossible

I am absolutely NOT questioning your practical advice with respect to the current situation AT ALL, but out of curiosity, given your position, what is your take on the role that armed self-defense historically played for Black resistance in the he US? I know there are people who argue it was crucial in that situation. Not to anticipate your response, but I suppose that DID include Black veterans from WWII and Korea, and therefore partly fell under the exceptions you mentioned?
in reply to Bilal Barakat 🍉

@bifouba armed self defense was *always* the minority for Black folks. There were a few who carried, and in doing so made it much riskier for white oppressors to harass Black folks. And most of those people who did were indeed veterans, as I understand the history.

Which, honestly, is exactly my point.

in reply to Doc Impossible

not just that but also maybe don't (plan to) commit crimes on the public internet. It's a bad time for everyone
in reply to DearlySamantha

@ahuggingsam lol, yeah, that's a dumb fucking idea too.

Seriously, the number of people in this thread who *absolutely do not get it* is astounding.

And for the record, everyone? I'm from a military family and I don't own a weapon of any kind *because I'm from a military family*. I did not enter service because I know myself well enough to know that I am not capable of enacting that sort of harm.

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Ostrzeżenie o treści: Self defence

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Addendum addendum:

Jesus fucking christ, a lot of you need to get your heads out of your asses and out of video games/action movies. You are not fucking John McClain. You need to *survive*, you lunatics.

I'm muting this insanity.

in reply to Doc Impossible

The people cosplaying John McClain remind me of Summer in that one R&M episode.
"Walkie talkie Die Hard, motherfucker"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe26UAtNHyo
(don't mind me, just trying to make light of some of this madness 😅)
in reply to Doc Impossible

+1. Know what's nore effective than an AR-15? A small razor blade applied to the tire valve stems of any immigration vehicles you encounter. Superglue and newspaper on unattended federal law enforcement vehicles' windshields. A bullhorn through which you announce "Run! Immigration agents are arresting people!" in Spanish.
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don't bother answering, but has your home ever been broken into?
mine was as a child - we were robbed. and then i *caught* someone breaking into my apt as a single woman
the gun was useful that day

i really appreciate that some people will never want to own a gun, & those that do should learn a lot about them, & maybe consider not getting one if they have kids.

but in 2024 USA i'll NEVER agree that we should tell all Americans "guns are bad, stay away from them no matter what"

in reply to Doc Impossible

Also also? Not to put too fine a point on it, but arming one's self is a responsibility - to do so safely involves building and maintaining perishable skills. And the best time to have started that is not "now" it's "some years ago".

Weapons aren't magic talismans; they're tools with a specific purpose and like any other tool they're not that useful for someone who doesn't know what they're doing.

in reply to Dani Tseng

I tend to rely on blades myself.

But I can use guns. I can't own them and am not comfortable with them around, but I know them well.

in reply to Maple's doing her best.

@noricenolife @Dani I'm sure the cop thug in body armour behind a shield who is armed with a submachine gun is going to cower in terror at your blade skills.
in reply to Doc Impossible

> Governments are nowhere near as omniscient as you think

Are you sure that's still true in the age of mass surveillance, big data, and large language models?

in reply to Matt Campbell

@matt Yes.

First of all, LLMs are not intelligent. They're autocomplete on steroids. Their use actively degrades work efficiency according to every survey I'm aware of.

Second, the mass surveillance is the problem. The government now captures *trillions* of hours of video a year, plus an absolutely incomprehensible amount of text data--so much that it hasn't known what to do with it for decades.

The point of the observation regime is your post. It's the panipticon.

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Fair enough. But now, if we assume that whatever's left of due process and rule of law are about to go away, then wouldn't looking suspicious as fuck be enough to make them come down on you with extreme prejudice, even if they haven't sifted through *all* the data?
in reply to Doc Impossible

YES. I have already offered to the community to be a red herring on call :)
in reply to Doc Impossible

so in other words be like the scambaiters, flood trans reporting hotlines with the bee movie script, do r/maliciouscompliance, poison the data well, and overall be a total prankster gremlin? can do!
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in reply to Nova🐧✨

@technobaboo Precisely. The script of the bee movie has done more to defend trans rights in the last twenty years than all the weapons owned by all trans people in America combined, as bizarre as it is to say.
in reply to Doc Impossible

that reminds me of the end of Bonelab, this super innovative VR game where everything has physics and avatar/body switching is a main mechanic (and jimmy here just saved you from a conservative small town where any modification of body, mind, environment is against the law and they hung you at the start of the game for it):

https://youtu.be/i3WjtJ1uYo8?t=279

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in reply to Doc Impossible

Really don't agree with this last part. Bullies will bully you for being different. The fascists, and they ARE fascists, don't care about whether you're actually breaking the law. If you look suspicious to them, if you look other to them, they're going to f*** you up.
in reply to Doc Impossible

Governments aren't omniscient, that's why they team up with private spy companies.

Fighting the system with an iphone is like punching yourself.
Being innocuous in a fascist system is doing nothing to stop it.
Following the law when the law is criminal is to be criminal.

You just want to save your comfort bubble, comforted in the fact that other peoples will do your part and save your ass.

Fuck it. Pacifism and passive resistance work only when the system play this game, but when they start to shoot in the mob, you die or take any weapon you can.

in reply to Doc Impossible

@courtcan Extremely relevant:
The CIA was actually good for something once - Read the CIA’s Simple Sabotage Field Manual: A Timeless Guide to Subverting Any Organization with “Purposeful Stupidity” (1944)

https://www.openculture.com/2022/01/read-the-cias-simple-sabotage-field-manual.html

There’s a link to a PDF in there that may soon be gone from government websites. So download a copy for safe keeping.

in reply to Doc Impossible

in the words (ish) of darkwing duck: be the hair in the lens of their projector
in reply to Doc Impossible

Facist start by controlling what you hear and what you see. The rest is easy and it doesn't require money.
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in reply to Doc Impossible

George Orwell's horror story, 1984, is worth a read.

There's no much killing in it (the killing may or may not be happening elsewhere).

The most effective weapon is essentially re-programming people, breaking people, destroying love between people etc

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@timo21

In the gas tank of what, one of those Trump flag monster trucks?

@Timo
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(Don't drop sugar in a gas tank, it's a myth. Bleach is the way to go.)
in reply to Doc Impossible

I recently watched a video (french only) about resistance in France on a huge dam building site.
The crew was mainly made of resistants (Veterans from Spanish war...).
Their goal was to slow down the building enough that the nazis could not use the dam but not too much so it could be achieved when the war was over.
No sabotage.
For example, they sent the same questions to different authorities, got different answers and used this to slow down
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lgZH9_mv0jM
in reply to Doc Impossible

plus, and that even starts with pepper spray (not arguing against carrying that, but beware), if you manage to attack first, they have a reason to detain you and maybe even do worse to you in prison. Even holding can be very bad for queer people and they don't need a conviction for that.

A friend recommended a bright tactical flashlight and shoes you can run in - at least noone can kill you with those.

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@scatty_hannah Steely guts and a silver tongue. If it comes to weapons, you've already lost. The machine is doing what it does best.

The part everyone firgets is that a fascist regime really really wants it's citizens to be alive. Fascist states tend to alienate trading partners badly, and so they rely heavily on internal productivity for taxes and power. That's why all of the bureaucratic nonsense has such a disproportionate effect on them.

And that's why they try to avoid killing.

in reply to Doc Impossible

A badly needed voice of sanity. Thank you. If you can do it safely, please keep educating us all in this respect.

In solidarity.

Nanook doesn't like this.

in reply to Doc Impossible

everything you said, yes.

If you are not *trained* (and anyone who thinks going to an air conditioned, indoors, well lit, controlled spaces range, to shoot at a fixed paper target, once or twice a month is "trained", they are woefully deceiving themselves) you are far more likely to hurt someone around you, usually someone you care about.

The myth of firearm for home protection? If a firearm is SAFELY STORED, it's NOT READY. If it's READY for use, it's NOT SAFE. Far more likely some kid or a dumbass ends up hurting/killing someone who belongs to the household. See also about "training", above.

Wanna get trained? Another bag of cats, entirely.

Signed, someone who rolled with operators, and was, at some point, issued and used some pretty exotic bang-bang.

in reply to Doc Impossible

IIRC, in one episode of the TV series The Prisoner (UK 1967-8), the main character organizes a group of "jammers" to distract their jailers with suspicious behavior. I don't know if there's an actual resistance technique called jamming, but I've been thinking about this quite a bit.
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lori
Three hole binders are the organizing principle behind the dystopia Snow Crash. But there they are a tool of the bad guys. Where is their potential as a tool of resistance? I don't get it.
in reply to Doc Impossible

Gossman's book "On Killing" talked about this. Only about 4% can really do the "shoot to kill" without it being pounded into their heads, there has to be extensive training otherwise.

(I hate his association with militarizing the police and all, but he wrote this book way before that & it DID have some great info on psychology and killing).

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Teedi P.
And very strong fingers. Brush up on your sneaky ninja skills and get a fast, good grip while delivering the most vicious wedgies known to man. Who knows? Maybe it'll shrink the gene pool if done right.
in reply to Doc Impossible

*This* is the kind of information that makes me feel better about humans in general.
in reply to lori

@lori @MrBerard @MisuseCase It is a version of the might of pen v sword.

In my work (union organizing) binders that document the behavior of abusive employers remain a useful tool, even in the internet age. They are pretty handy to present to each member of a Board of Supervisors or City Council, to provide overwhelming evidence of what is really happening to workers, no matter how many lobbyist the bosses hire to claim otherwise. But that is but one use of the mighty binder....

in reply to Doc Impossible

And sending money to fascist gun manufacturers so they can make more guns?

Our brand of fascism is capitalist. Their means to power is fear.

I'm not buying it.

in reply to Doc Impossible

This idea that individuals arming themselves to fight the government is as stupid as the 2nd amendment folks are about their need to keep guns in order to be sure the government doesn’t overreach to turn us all gay, or whatever else it is that they are trying to fight. If anyone thinks building bombs or killing other Americans will help win this fight against fascism, you’re just wrong. It will end by making our enemies stronger. We’ve gotten through 4 years of Trump before, by defeating him at the ballot box. Violence will only damage our future chances. Self defense is different, but a gun thrown into a conflict is going to make it worse.
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Siobhán Sarelle

@noricenolife @zdl @Dani

Martyrdom is a method of control used to get those at the bottom to sacrifice themselves for those at the top

I have had someone try to kill me, I don't recommend it

in reply to Doc Impossible

I'm homeless. I don't carry any kind of weapon or even silverware like a fork(yes, kops are afraid of forks).

If I can't deescalate with words I use open hand techniques. No weapons. Find places that teach self defense without weapons. Now, having said that, I grew up with guns and am a veteran. I can shoot 😛 but I again say "no weapons".

Just being near someone, kop or not with a gun, keeps me on super high alert for THEM to use it. As a veteran, I believe in and swore to defend EVERY part of the US Constitution but EVERYTHING has a time and place.

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in reply to Doc Impossible

The Best party of martial arts training is the advice to stay out of trouble, and run when you still can.
in reply to Doc Impossible

The statistics about how many trained soldiers actually shoot in battle haven't improved much since WWII.

Local law enforcement's recruitment efforts being what they are, they don't seem to suffer from the same problem. But while officers seem trained to empty the clip before stopping, they miss the target about half the time. Sadly, it's the other half that counts.

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in reply to Doc Impossible

The book _Generation Kill_ by Evan Wright is a good read on people not being able to shoot to kill and the amount of training needed to get them to do it, amongst other “strange” reactions to war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Kill

@alex