I'm the oldest daughter of two Lt Colonels, and the product of a three-generational military family on both sides, and I think y'all need to listen to the next bit:
We ended the draft because the military's analysis of the Vietnam War revealed that 90% of all draftees would not shoot to kill, even when it was life or death. They'd shoot high or low, but they *couldn't* shoot to kill. As such, they actively degraded the war effort.
So you need to think twice before arming yourselves.
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •There's a lot of *wildly* irresponsible rhetoric floating around right now about how all queer folk should arm themselves to resist what's coming. And, deadass?
If you're armed, and you're not 10000% sure that you can shoot to kill, the only thing you're gonna do is get yourself and everyone around you dead.
Period.
A weapon is a *massive* escalation. Meanwhile, the tool that really gets you out of deadly trouble in a fascist dictatorship?
A silver tongue and steely guts.
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Resistance is about far, far more than the image we have in our heads of the brave French resistance fighter in WWII. It's making the gears of their fascist machine grind. Drop a little sugar in the right gas tank. Lose important paperwork and records. Follow all the rules, *exactly,* in excruciating detail, explaining to the fascists that their superiors will come down on you if you don't.
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Fascism is a machine. All machines have moving parts. You don't attack the reinforced bits. And fascism, specifically, is a machine built to kill. When you take up the same arms, you're attacking them where they're strongest.
So, when you plan your resistance, unless you're a very rare sort--probably with preexisting military experience--don't plan for a violence that you can't and won't win.
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Governments are nowhere near as omniscient as you think, and have nowhere near enough resporces to follow up on what data they do have.
Wanna resist? One of the very best things you can do is look suspicious as fuck while doing *absolutely nothing* illegal.
Consume their resources. Frustrate the machine. *That* is how you save lives. Not weapons. Not for the overwhelming majority of you.
Leave that trouble for those truly prepared for it.
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Doc Impossible
in reply to Misuse Case • • •It's apocalyptic thinking. People want to go out in a heroic blaze of glory, because doing so has been held up as an ideal.
Its just evangelical rapture-thinking.
Yeah, in the grimmest times, someone has to do the dangerous work, but they need to *live* afterwards. The fascist machine wasting resources fruitlessly chasing them is the real benefit to what they do.
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Roz :verifiedtransfem:
in reply to RealGravitas • • •@CWilbur even older but not without its charms is the simple sabotage field manual [1] which has a lot of fun & plausibly deniable ideas for how to slow the gears of a large machine of which you have no choice but to be a part
[1] https://archive.org/details/SimpleSabotageFieldManual
Simple Sabotage Field Manual : Office of Strategic Services : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
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in reply to Liminal witch 🧙♀️ Sarah • • •@xgebi
One Punk band i knew wrote the song, "Army of Frank Spencers",
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Some_Mothers_Do_'Ave_'Em
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Addendum:
What the fuck, people?! I talk about how bad an idea it is to arm yourselves and a bunch of yall start arguing about blades and homemade bombs instead of firearms?! When I said weapons and not firearms, I meant ***all*** weapons.
This is not a fucking movie. This is your lives. All your posturing is gonna do is get you and the people around you dead.
Knock it off, dummies.
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in reply to Doc Impossible • — (Internet) •Knee jerk, I am afraid.
Folks, don't be daft, don't get killed. You will not respawn.
Or, if you have such a death wish, do not write about it in public (which means internet at large). Save your contacts from unwanted visitors.
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Doc Impossible
in reply to Bilal Barakat 🍉 • • •@bifouba armed self defense was *always* the minority for Black folks. There were a few who carried, and in doing so made it much riskier for white oppressors to harass Black folks. And most of those people who did were indeed veterans, as I understand the history.
Which, honestly, is exactly my point.
DearlySamantha
in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Doc Impossible
in reply to DearlySamantha • • •@ahuggingsam lol, yeah, that's a dumb fucking idea too.
Seriously, the number of people in this thread who *absolutely do not get it* is astounding.
And for the record, everyone? I'm from a military family and I don't own a weapon of any kind *because I'm from a military family*. I did not enter service because I know myself well enough to know that I am not capable of enacting that sort of harm.
Tattie
in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Ostrzeżenie o treści: Self defence
I train with bladed weapons (well, blunt ones) every week, and the thought of using them in self-defense is fucking stupid. Like what's the plan here? You get jumped and then expect to have a minute to pull a knife out of your bag? Or walk around with one in your hand whenever you feel unsafe, thus pre-escalating any confrontation? A knife is an offensive weapon, not a defensive one. They only get more people hurt.
No, your first plan should always be to de-escalate and defuse the situation. Keep your hands low, make it clear you're not interested in a fight. Don't brandish anything at anyone.
Your second plan, if you can, is to run. Keep an eye on your escape routes, don't let people back you into a corner.
Only after both those options are exhausted should you turn to fighting. And the only "weapon" I'd recommend is a good stout umbrella. It's not perceived as a weapon, meaning you can still de-escalate with one in your hand. You can give someone a swift knock in the jaw or round the head to daze them, or you knock the knife out of their hand, and then you run.
Self-defense is about getting away safely, not escalating a confrontation into a fight.
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Addendum addendum:
Jesus fucking christ, a lot of you need to get your heads out of your asses and out of video games/action movies. You are not fucking John McClain. You need to *survive*, you lunatics.
I'm muting this insanity.
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in reply to Doc Impossible • •DankeyKang
in reply to Doc Impossible • • •"Walkie talkie Die Hard, motherfucker"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe26UAtNHyo
(don't mind me, just trying to make light of some of this madness 😅)
Summer's Walkie-Talkie Die Hard Moment | Rick and Morty | adult swim
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Holy shit I saw someone suggest knives a few days ago and I had words.
Knives are the absolute worst self defense choice you could make. Knives are for show, even in ancient warfare. The goal was to get the other line to break and run in fear, that's how small battalions overcome significant numbers over and over. People are intensely afraid of violence, not just against themselves but afraid of committing it themselves too - even with guns, as you related it to the draft.
If you are actually in fear of your personal safety such that you're considering a weapon, pick a gun and more importantly, train with it. A lot. More than anything. If you're not willing to do that, don't buy a gun. Buy a religious book or other lucky charm instead.
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Holy shit I saw someone suggest knives a few days ago and I had words.
Knives are the absolute worst self defense choice you could make. Knives are for show, even in ancient warfare. The goal was to get the other line to break and run in fear, that's how small battalions overcome significant numbers over and over. People are intensely afraid of violence, not just against themselves but afraid of committing it themselves too - even with guns, as you related it to the draft.
If you are actually in fear of your personal safety such that you're considering a weapon, pick a gun and more importantly, train with it. A lot. More than anything. If you're not willing to do that, don't buy a gun. Buy a religious book or other lucky charm instead.
https://beige.party/@itty53/113436390183475900
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •don't bother answering, but has your home ever been broken into?
mine was as a child - we were robbed. and then i *caught* someone breaking into my apt as a single woman
the gun was useful that day
i really appreciate that some people will never want to own a gun, & those that do should learn a lot about them, & maybe consider not getting one if they have kids.
but in 2024 USA i'll NEVER agree that we should tell all Americans "guns are bad, stay away from them no matter what"
Dani Tseng
in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Also also? Not to put too fine a point on it, but arming one's self is a responsibility - to do so safely involves building and maintaining perishable skills. And the best time to have started that is not "now" it's "some years ago".
Weapons aren't magic talismans; they're tools with a specific purpose and like any other tool they're not that useful for someone who doesn't know what they're doing.
Maple's doing her best.
in reply to Dani Tseng • • •I tend to rely on blades myself.
But I can use guns. I can't own them and am not comfortable with them around, but I know them well.
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in reply to Maple's doing her best. • • •Matt Campbell
in reply to Doc Impossible • • •> Governments are nowhere near as omniscient as you think
Are you sure that's still true in the age of mass surveillance, big data, and large language models?
Doc Impossible
in reply to Matt Campbell • • •@matt Yes.
First of all, LLMs are not intelligent. They're autocomplete on steroids. Their use actively degrades work efficiency according to every survey I'm aware of.
Second, the mass surveillance is the problem. The government now captures *trillions* of hours of video a year, plus an absolutely incomprehensible amount of text data--so much that it hasn't known what to do with it for decades.
The point of the observation regime is your post. It's the panipticon.
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •not to mention LLMs are EXPENSIVE to run at scale, they're not something you can keep in a cloud and analyze all the data with unless you are gushing money like niagra falls (as is happening with OpenAI and similar) so the mass surveillance is mostly done on-device, which means you can easily control what data is analyzed by choosing what devices to keep.
If your device has an NPU and an operating system not under your control (non-rooted android, iOS, windows, etc.), it's likely going to be analyzing your data whether you want it to or not. Older android phones work with most apps anyway, because phones haven't really changed in years! Remember, regular data is practically useless to surveillance agencies (analyzing it is hard) but metadata is incredibly useful, so they'll try to make the analysis and such into features (tag your friends with their face on facebook!)
And to justify upgrading these new phones and spending all that money, they try to make it all features... they don't bother hiding away the surveillance but instead trying to make it the hot new thing...
... pokaż więcejnot to mention LLMs are EXPENSIVE to run at scale, they're not something you can keep in a cloud and analyze all the data with unless you are gushing money like niagra falls (as is happening with OpenAI and similar) so the mass surveillance is mostly done on-device, which means you can easily control what data is analyzed by choosing what devices to keep.
If your device has an NPU and an operating system not under your control (non-rooted android, iOS, windows, etc.), it's likely going to be analyzing your data whether you want it to or not. Older android phones work with most apps anyway, because phones haven't really changed in years! Remember, regular data is practically useless to surveillance agencies (analyzing it is hard) but metadata is incredibly useful, so they'll try to make the analysis and such into features (tag your friends with their face on facebook!)
And to justify upgrading these new phones and spending all that money, they try to make it all features... they don't bother hiding away the surveillance but instead trying to make it the hot new thing... LLM summarization in iOS? also easy to do sentiment analysis (not necessarily what they're doing but it's easy). Recall in Windows is treated as a feature but is also a very searchable surveillance tool (that luckily got pushback but is still going to be activated and forced on users).
Recall got pushback because it's an incredibly tangible form of surveillance that's suuper easy for people to understand the implications of: "oh my god it screenshots what i'm doing? i'd hate it if some random person did that to me" is easier to understand than abstract privacy stuff like collecting sentiment analysis and profiling people for ad tracking.
Matt Campbell
in reply to Doc Impossible • • •cognitively accessible math
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •that reminds me of the end of Bonelab, this super innovative VR game where everything has physics and avatar/body switching is a main mechanic (and jimmy here just saved you from a conservative small town where any modification of body, mind, environment is against the law and they hung you at the start of the game for it):
https://youtu.be/i3WjtJ1uYo8?t=279
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Nanard Grognard 🏴 🏳️🌈 🔻
in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Governments aren't omniscient, that's why they team up with private spy companies.
Fighting the system with an iphone is like punching yourself.
Being innocuous in a fascist system is doing nothing to stop it.
Following the law when the law is criminal is to be criminal.
You just want to save your comfort bubble, comforted in the fact that other peoples will do your part and save your ass.
Fuck it. Pacifism and passive resistance work only when the system play this game, but when they start to shoot in the mob, you die or take any weapon you can.
Lord Hurkle-Durkle :bc:
in reply to Doc Impossible • • •@courtcan Extremely relevant:
The CIA was actually good for something once - Read the CIA’s Simple Sabotage Field Manual: A Timeless Guide to Subverting Any Organization with “Purposeful Stupidity” (1944)
https://www.openculture.com/2022/01/read-the-cias-simple-sabotage-field-manual.html
There’s a link to a PDF in there that may soon be gone from government websites. So download a copy for safe keeping.
Read the CIA's Simple Sabotage Field Manual: A Timeless Guide to Subverting Any Organization with "Purposeful Stupidity" (1944)
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Siobhán Sarelle
in reply to Doc Impossible • • •George Orwell's horror story, 1984, is worth a read.
There's no much killing in it (the killing may or may not be happening elsewhere).
The most effective weapon is essentially re-programming people, breaking people, destroying love between people etc
lori
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •@timo21
In the gas tank of what, one of those Trump flag monster trucks?
Edwardo Lobo
in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Summary - Homeland Security Digital Library
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Popular texts
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •The crew was mainly made of resistants (Veterans from Spanish war...).
Their goal was to slow down the building enough that the nazis could not use the dam but not too much so it could be achieved when the war was over.
No sabotage.
For example, they sent the same questions to different authorities, got different answers and used this to slow down
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lgZH9_mv0jM
Le barrage le plus résistant de France
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •plus, and that even starts with pepper spray (not arguing against carrying that, but beware), if you manage to attack first, they have a reason to detain you and maybe even do worse to you in prison. Even holding can be very bad for queer people and they don't need a conviction for that.
A friend recommended a bright tactical flashlight and shoes you can run in - at least noone can kill you with those.
Doc Impossible
in reply to Hannah • • •@scatty_hannah Steely guts and a silver tongue. If it comes to weapons, you've already lost. The machine is doing what it does best.
The part everyone firgets is that a fascist regime really really wants it's citizens to be alive. Fascist states tend to alienate trading partners badly, and so they rely heavily on internal productivity for taxes and power. That's why all of the bureaucratic nonsense has such a disproportionate effect on them.
And that's why they try to avoid killing.
8Petros [Signal: Petros.63]
in reply to Doc Impossible • •A badly needed voice of sanity. Thank you. If you can do it safely, please keep educating us all in this respect.
In solidarity.
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •faraiwe
in reply to Doc Impossible • • •everything you said, yes.
If you are not *trained* (and anyone who thinks going to an air conditioned, indoors, well lit, controlled spaces range, to shoot at a fixed paper target, once or twice a month is "trained", they are woefully deceiving themselves) you are far more likely to hurt someone around you, usually someone you care about.
The myth of firearm for home protection? If a firearm is SAFELY STORED, it's NOT READY. If it's READY for use, it's NOT SAFE. Far more likely some kid or a dumbass ends up hurting/killing someone who belongs to the household. See also about "training", above.
Wanna get trained? Another bag of cats, entirely.
Signed, someone who rolled with operators, and was, at some point, issued and used some pretty exotic bang-bang.
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Gossman's book "On Killing" talked about this. Only about 4% can really do the "shoot to kill" without it being pounded into their heads, there has to be extensive training otherwise.
(I hate his association with militarizing the police and all, but he wrote this book way before that & it DID have some great info on psychology and killing).
Teedi P.
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in reply to Doc Impossible • • •aadmaa
in reply to lori • • •@lori @MrBerard @MisuseCase It is a version of the might of pen v sword.
In my work (union organizing) binders that document the behavior of abusive employers remain a useful tool, even in the internet age. They are pretty handy to present to each member of a Board of Supervisors or City Council, to provide overwhelming evidence of what is really happening to workers, no matter how many lobbyist the bosses hire to claim otherwise. But that is but one use of the mighty binder....
Janis
in reply to Doc Impossible • • •And sending money to fascist gun manufacturers so they can make more guns?
Our brand of fascism is capitalist. Their means to power is fear.
I'm not buying it.
Jeff Shaffer CBET, ret
in reply to Doc Impossible • • •Siobhán Sarelle
Unknown parent • • •@noricenolife @zdl @Dani
Martyrdom is a method of control used to get those at the bottom to sacrifice themselves for those at the top
I have had someone try to kill me, I don't recommend it
Bob 🇺🇲♒🐧🪖
in reply to Doc Impossible • • •I'm homeless. I don't carry any kind of weapon or even silverware like a fork(yes, kops are afraid of forks).
If I can't deescalate with words I use open hand techniques. No weapons. Find places that teach self defense without weapons. Now, having said that, I grew up with guns and am a veteran. I can shoot 😛 but I again say "no weapons".
Just being near someone, kop or not with a gun, keeps me on super high alert for THEM to use it. As a veteran, I believe in and swore to defend EVERY part of the US Constitution but EVERYTHING has a time and place.
ïng Frank THM van den Heuvel
in reply to Doc Impossible • • •huntingdon
in reply to Doc Impossible • • •The statistics about how many trained soldiers actually shoot in battle haven't improved much since WWII.
Local law enforcement's recruitment efforts being what they are, they don't seem to suffer from the same problem. But while officers seem trained to empty the clip before stopping, they miss the target about half the time. Sadly, it's the other half that counts.
Ed Davies
in reply to Doc Impossible • • •The book _Generation Kill_ by Evan Wright is a good read on people not being able to shoot to kill and the amount of training needed to get them to do it, amongst other “strange” reactions to war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Kill
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book by Evan Wright
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